1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:06,507 "Dear X, you saw me. I really think you did. And I saw you." 2 00:00:08,250 --> 00:00:11,265 Come on, George, don't be silly... Get off me! 3 00:00:13,399 --> 00:00:14,839 Who was he? 4 00:00:14,839 --> 00:00:16,959 George Selway. He was at the party. 5 00:00:16,959 --> 00:00:18,479 He works at the university. 6 00:00:18,479 --> 00:00:20,892 Do you want me to get some people to take a statement? 7 00:00:20,917 --> 00:00:23,239 I can't make a statement, you know I can't. 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,359 What about your husband? Are you going to tell him? 9 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:27,599 You haven't been right for weeks. 10 00:00:27,599 --> 00:00:29,239 Is this my fault? 11 00:00:29,239 --> 00:00:31,239 Rosa came with me to the conference. 12 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:32,999 So you are sleeping with her? 13 00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:37,399 It's George Selway. He won't leave me alone. 14 00:00:37,399 --> 00:00:40,079 Wait, hang on, are you saying he's stalking you now? 15 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:43,759 He's been texting me. A few weeks ago he sent me flowers! 16 00:00:43,759 --> 00:00:46,719 He just turned up in the shop near my house. 17 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:47,879 He knows about us. 18 00:00:48,906 --> 00:00:51,599 I know you're not allowed to talk about what you do. 19 00:00:51,599 --> 00:00:53,279 Can't you warn him off for me? 20 00:00:56,348 --> 00:00:58,148 What are you going to say to him? 21 00:01:09,158 --> 00:01:11,194 [SHE GASPS] 22 00:01:12,999 --> 00:01:15,239 You were in there for ages. What happened? 23 00:01:15,239 --> 00:01:16,799 Drive. Now, now! 24 00:01:18,399 --> 00:01:20,079 Just go! Go, go, go! 25 00:01:25,079 --> 00:01:26,719 - What is it? - Just go! Go, go, go! 26 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:28,439 What's wrong? What happened? 27 00:01:34,239 --> 00:01:36,599 What did he say? 28 00:01:36,599 --> 00:01:38,959 No, listen. Everything's under control. 29 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:40,879 Just... If it comes to it. IF it comes to it, 30 00:01:40,879 --> 00:01:43,799 just stick to the same story as with Kevin, right? 31 00:01:43,799 --> 00:01:46,119 We met through work. Erm, you... 32 00:01:46,144 --> 00:01:49,439 We talked about my niece, and you asked my advice, 33 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:51,679 erm... because of my contacts in security. 34 00:01:51,679 --> 00:01:53,639 That's it. End of story. 35 00:01:53,639 --> 00:01:55,679 I'll say exactly the same thing. 36 00:01:55,679 --> 00:01:58,239 Do we need to call the police? 37 00:01:58,239 --> 00:02:01,879 No, just... Trust me, Yvonne. 38 00:02:01,879 --> 00:02:02,879 Trust me. 39 00:02:06,683 --> 00:02:13,047 - 00:04:55,079 Great. 55 00:05:00,190 --> 00:05:02,639 Remind me what we've got him again. 56 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:04,759 That speaker he wanted. 57 00:05:04,759 --> 00:05:06,919 It's the same one we've got in the kitchen. 58 00:05:06,919 --> 00:05:08,679 Oh, yes, yes. Excellent... 59 00:05:10,556 --> 00:05:11,796 Excellent. 60 00:05:25,431 --> 00:05:28,631 You should know this... thing with Rosa. 61 00:05:30,253 --> 00:05:32,093 Whatever it is, it's not serious. 62 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:35,519 Right. 63 00:05:37,559 --> 00:05:39,799 Are you sure she feels the same way? 64 00:05:39,799 --> 00:05:43,439 She knows how I feel about you, I've made it very clear... 65 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,159 Right. 66 00:05:48,919 --> 00:05:52,399 I'm sorry, Von. 67 00:05:52,399 --> 00:05:54,239 I really am. 68 00:05:59,559 --> 00:06:02,199 We've been through worse, hm? 69 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:06,879 With Adam. 70 00:06:17,999 --> 00:06:20,279 Get a room, you two! 71 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,199 - Hey! - Hey, how you doing? 72 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:24,479 Happy birthday. 73 00:06:24,479 --> 00:06:27,119 Hey, you! I didn't know you were coming! 74 00:06:27,119 --> 00:06:29,771 I'm stealing the limelight from Sathnam. 75 00:06:30,497 --> 00:06:33,319 - Good to see you. - You, too. 76 00:06:33,319 --> 00:06:36,719 He is much too popular in this family for my liking! 77 00:06:36,719 --> 00:06:39,439 Last time you were kipping on our sofa. 78 00:07:04,264 --> 00:07:06,254 - Yvonne Carmichael? - Yes. 79 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,559 I'm DI Cleveland, West Thames Murder Investigation Unit. 80 00:07:08,559 --> 00:07:10,239 This is my colleague, DS Brown. 81 00:07:10,239 --> 00:07:12,959 I'm arresting you on suspicion of the murder of George Selway. 82 00:07:12,959 --> 00:07:14,279 Murder? 83 00:07:27,637 --> 00:07:30,919 Hang on, hang on, there must be something wrong here... 84 00:07:39,679 --> 00:07:41,279 All right, all right. 85 00:07:41,279 --> 00:07:44,199 It's just a mistake. Grab your bag, grab your stuff, grab your stuff. 86 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:45,759 Get your coat. Come on. 87 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:48,159 Tell us what you did this morning, Yvonne. 88 00:07:48,159 --> 00:07:51,199 Erm, I took some clothes to the recycling depot. 89 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:52,639 Alone? 90 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:53,679 Yes. 91 00:07:53,679 --> 00:07:54,586 Then what? 92 00:07:54,611 --> 00:07:57,076 Um... Then I went for a drive. 93 00:07:58,399 --> 00:08:00,359 You just fancied a drive? 94 00:08:00,359 --> 00:08:03,159 That's right. Af... after I'd done the recycling. 95 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:06,799 Where? 96 00:08:08,599 --> 00:08:11,119 Just around. I... I don't remember. 97 00:08:11,119 --> 00:08:15,685 Around? I see. Was anyone in the car with you? 98 00:08:16,284 --> 00:08:17,284 No. 99 00:08:18,828 --> 00:08:21,068 You do know we've arrested Mark Costley? 100 00:08:25,119 --> 00:08:28,359 Were you there when Mark Costley beat and kicked George Selway 101 00:08:28,359 --> 00:08:29,519 to death, Yvonne? 102 00:08:33,289 --> 00:08:36,319 No... No. 103 00:08:36,319 --> 00:08:38,799 It's very easy for us to check all this out, you know. 104 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:40,679 Who was in the car with you, where you were... 105 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,119 that's even before we've had a proper chat with Costley. 106 00:08:43,119 --> 00:08:45,799 God knows what he'll have to say for himself, eh? 107 00:08:51,939 --> 00:08:55,139 So, are you telling me that's not you... in your car? 108 00:09:10,733 --> 00:09:13,359 What's your relationship to Mark Costley, Yvonne? 109 00:09:13,359 --> 00:09:14,399 He's a friend. 110 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:15,719 What kind of friend? 111 00:09:15,719 --> 00:09:17,799 Just a friend. I... I haven't known him very long. 112 00:09:17,799 --> 00:09:19,719 Well, would you describe him as a good friend? 113 00:09:19,719 --> 00:09:21,479 He's become quite a good friend, yes. 114 00:09:21,479 --> 00:09:22,559 A lover? 115 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:23,679 No. 116 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,719 I... I met him when I was working at the House of Commons. 117 00:09:27,719 --> 00:09:30,879 Um... He asked my advice about a niece of his, 118 00:09:30,879 --> 00:09:33,359 who was considering a career in science. 119 00:09:33,359 --> 00:09:36,399 So why was he in your car, going to George Selway's house? 120 00:09:41,635 --> 00:09:47,751 Since Mark worked in security, I asked him for advice. 121 00:09:50,159 --> 00:09:52,239 He agreed to help me out. 122 00:09:52,239 --> 00:09:54,559 To warn George Selway off. 123 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,359 Why would you want him to do that? 124 00:10:07,719 --> 00:10:09,279 George Selway attacked me. 125 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:30,279 So, you and Mark Costley were an item. You were sleeping together. 126 00:10:30,279 --> 00:10:31,879 No, I've told you. 127 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:34,559 You were having an affair and he went nuts when 128 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,839 he found out about you and George, isn't that right? 129 00:10:38,239 --> 00:10:40,399 There was no "me and George". 130 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:45,479 I told you, George Selway attacked me and then he started stalking me. 131 00:10:45,479 --> 00:10:48,879 I went to Mark Costley because of his background in security 132 00:10:48,879 --> 00:10:51,479 and asked for his advice. 133 00:10:51,479 --> 00:10:52,839 That's not what he told us. 134 00:11:02,599 --> 00:11:04,159 Just stick to the story. 135 00:11:04,159 --> 00:11:05,159 Trust me. 136 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:10,559 We weren't sleeping together. 137 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:11,919 And if he'd told you we were, 138 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:14,439 I think you'd be confronting me with details. 139 00:11:21,439 --> 00:11:24,679 Just for that moment I doubted you... 140 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,079 Just for that split second. Forgive me, my love. 141 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:37,119 Jaspreet Dhillon. Dhillon, Johnson and Waterford. You can call me Jas. 142 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:44,039 I can tell you, your husband is an extremely persistent man. 143 00:11:44,039 --> 00:11:46,319 Gary contacted you? 144 00:11:46,319 --> 00:11:50,959 Yeah, and not just the once, either. Now, good news. 145 00:11:50,959 --> 00:11:52,839 We've started your bail application. 146 00:11:52,839 --> 00:11:54,239 How long's that going to take? 147 00:11:54,239 --> 00:11:55,879 That's the less good news. 148 00:11:55,879 --> 00:11:58,959 Magistrate's hearing first, probably a couple of nights in Holloway, 149 00:11:58,959 --> 00:12:00,879 then bail hearing proper... 150 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:03,359 Holloway? It really should just be for a night or two. 151 00:12:03,359 --> 00:12:06,399 I'm fairly confident the bail hearing will go our way. 152 00:12:07,215 --> 00:12:09,559 We'll get you home if we possibly can. 153 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,279 Oh, thank God. 154 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:12,359 Sorry. 155 00:12:14,719 --> 00:12:16,519 Would you like some water? 156 00:12:28,039 --> 00:12:30,399 They keep talking about murder, but I... 157 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:32,359 I wasn't even in the house. 158 00:12:32,359 --> 00:12:34,279 Surely forensics will tell them that. 159 00:12:34,279 --> 00:12:35,559 It doesn't matter, Yvonne. 160 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:36,839 The prosecution will argue 161 00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:39,679 that you and Costley cooked up the idea to kill Selway together. 162 00:12:42,391 --> 00:12:45,079 That you drove the car. The getaway car, effectively. 163 00:12:45,079 --> 00:12:47,759 That is not what happened! I didn't even know he was dead. 164 00:12:47,759 --> 00:12:48,799 I swear I didn't. 165 00:12:49,930 --> 00:12:54,957 The worst I thought was... Mark might have knocked him about a bit. 166 00:12:56,410 --> 00:12:59,079 Well, we'll establish all that when your case comes to court. 167 00:12:59,079 --> 00:13:01,279 For the moment, let's focus on bail, yeah? 168 00:13:06,439 --> 00:13:09,639 I'm just about persuaded to give bail in the particular 169 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:13,159 circumstances of this case, despite the seriousness of the charge, 170 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:15,919 due to the defendant's previous excellent character 171 00:13:15,919 --> 00:13:17,839 and everything else that's been said. 172 00:13:17,839 --> 00:13:20,119 You're to reside at your normal address 173 00:13:20,119 --> 00:13:22,199 and you must surrender your passport 174 00:13:22,199 --> 00:13:26,239 and pay into court a security in the sum of �100,000. 175 00:13:26,239 --> 00:13:28,719 I understand it's all in hand, my lady. 176 00:13:28,719 --> 00:13:31,399 You're to report to your local police station on Mondays, 177 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:34,799 Wednesdays and Saturdays between 10am and 2pm. 178 00:13:34,799 --> 00:13:39,799 You will also abide by a curfew between the hours of 8pm and 8am. 179 00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:43,079 Above all, Dr Carmichael, you are not to contact, 180 00:13:43,079 --> 00:13:45,279 directly or indirectly, 181 00:13:45,279 --> 00:13:49,559 Mark Liam Costley or any of the prosecution witnesses. 182 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,439 Is that clear? 183 00:13:51,439 --> 00:13:52,799 Yes, my lady. Thank you. 184 00:14:23,879 --> 00:14:26,639 How on earth did you get hold of 100 grand? 185 00:14:28,119 --> 00:14:29,399 Cashed in those bonds. 186 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:34,319 And Ray and Tina have come up trumps, actually. 187 00:14:34,319 --> 00:14:35,999 Oh, God, you didn't ask them, did you? 188 00:14:35,999 --> 00:14:39,919 Well, what else could I do? It's all right. 189 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:43,599 We're re-mortgaging, and... Ray and Tina just stepped in to cover 190 00:14:43,599 --> 00:14:46,039 it while the paperwork's done. 191 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:47,999 They were happy to help, Von. 192 00:14:50,119 --> 00:14:51,599 People have been amazing. 193 00:14:56,159 --> 00:14:57,159 Adam? 194 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:04,919 He's been a bit knocked for six... But fine. 195 00:15:06,359 --> 00:15:08,039 I've talked to him quite a lot. 196 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:13,559 What about Carrie? 197 00:15:34,839 --> 00:15:35,799 Hey... 198 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:50,039 This is lovely. Thank you. 199 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:01,919 It's delicious. Mm. 200 00:16:13,799 --> 00:16:16,879 Why didn't you go to the police about the rape? 201 00:16:16,879 --> 00:16:18,079 Carrie, love... 202 00:16:18,079 --> 00:16:20,359 Maybe your mum's not ready to talk about that 203 00:16:20,359 --> 00:16:21,959 right at the moment, darling. 204 00:16:21,959 --> 00:16:25,319 I haven't had a chance to talk to Dad about it properly yet. 205 00:16:32,079 --> 00:16:33,799 I had my reasons. 206 00:16:35,239 --> 00:16:39,439 But, um... I mean, didn't you feel a responsibility to the other 207 00:16:39,439 --> 00:16:42,239 women this man was working with, to come forward 208 00:16:42,239 --> 00:16:43,759 if he was a threat to them? 209 00:16:45,359 --> 00:16:46,999 And this other man, what's his name? 210 00:16:46,999 --> 00:16:49,919 Mark Costley. Just roping in some random weirdo, what was that about? 211 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:51,159 He's not a weirdo. 212 00:16:51,159 --> 00:16:53,679 But you didn't even know him properly, what were you thinking? 213 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:55,079 I don't know! I don't know. 214 00:17:00,413 --> 00:17:05,079 Carrie... I wasn't thinking about my responsibilities. 215 00:17:06,307 --> 00:17:09,872 I could barely put one foot in front of the other. 216 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:15,719 And sometimes women aren't served brilliantly by the legal system, 217 00:17:15,719 --> 00:17:19,559 whatever they say about new approaches and the caring 218 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:21,039 face of the force. 219 00:17:25,199 --> 00:17:26,919 I just couldn't face it. 220 00:17:31,559 --> 00:17:33,559 I didn't have the courage. 221 00:17:36,239 --> 00:17:38,199 I'm just trying to understand. 222 00:17:43,199 --> 00:17:45,319 I'm going to go and have a bath. 223 00:18:04,919 --> 00:18:07,639 Fred. Fred. Everything will be all right. 224 00:18:07,639 --> 00:18:10,359 For God's sake, Dad, I'm not ten years old any more. 225 00:18:17,159 --> 00:18:18,159 What if it isn't? 226 00:18:34,439 --> 00:18:39,251 I just don't get why you went to him. Costley. 227 00:18:41,889 --> 00:18:45,009 I knew that if I told you what had happened... 228 00:18:46,599 --> 00:18:48,599 ..you'd want me to go to the police. 229 00:18:53,991 --> 00:18:55,911 When did it happen? 230 00:18:58,599 --> 00:19:03,759 It was that party at Central. Jonathan's leaving do. 231 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:05,639 He was a senior researcher there. 232 00:19:06,471 --> 00:19:11,155 We did external exams and panels together. 233 00:19:12,737 --> 00:19:14,777 You've probably heard me mention him. 234 00:19:16,512 --> 00:19:18,032 Oh, Jesus... 235 00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:26,799 Von... I mean, the police, I understand what you 236 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:32,039 were saying to Carrie, but surely we could have spoken about it. 237 00:19:36,439 --> 00:19:42,239 At first, I didn't want the rest of my life to be contaminated 238 00:19:42,239 --> 00:19:43,359 by what he did. 239 00:19:46,959 --> 00:19:49,319 As long as I didn't bring it into the house then I could 240 00:19:49,319 --> 00:19:51,119 pretend it never happened. 241 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:54,759 And then I took advice. 242 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,239 From Costley. 243 00:19:59,239 --> 00:20:04,319 No, from a police officer that he put me in touch with... 244 00:20:07,439 --> 00:20:09,159 They see it all the time. 245 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:13,879 Women like me who don't want to have their lives dragged through 246 00:20:13,879 --> 00:20:15,079 the courts. 247 00:20:15,079 --> 00:20:18,319 Yeah, thank God we're not going to be dragged through the courts. 248 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:20,559 Thank God you spared us from that. 249 00:20:22,399 --> 00:20:23,919 I'm sorry. 250 00:20:26,524 --> 00:20:28,604 It's all gone so wrong. 251 00:20:34,199 --> 00:20:38,559 Oh, my God, he's dead! He's actually dead! 252 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:42,959 Sh, sh... 253 00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:50,759 It's not your fault. None of this is your fault. 254 00:20:50,759 --> 00:20:52,559 OK? 255 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:55,279 That's not true, Gary. 256 00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:56,439 It isn't. 257 00:20:58,639 --> 00:21:02,839 You weren't even there when it happened. Were you? 258 00:21:02,839 --> 00:21:05,956 No. No. 259 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:16,279 George Selway raped you. It all goes from there. 260 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,199 And we are going to do everything... 261 00:21:23,248 --> 00:21:25,208 ...everything we can, OK? 262 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:55,479 Apparently lolly sticks are good. 263 00:21:56,599 --> 00:21:58,279 For scratching. 264 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:01,999 Stylish... 265 00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:13,239 We've had word from Mark Costley's team about his plea. 266 00:22:13,239 --> 00:22:16,279 Looks like he's going for diminished responsibility. 267 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,559 He's saying he's not guilty of murder. 268 00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:23,719 Well, good, because he isn't. He couldn't be. 269 00:22:23,719 --> 00:22:25,919 Do you know that? 270 00:22:25,919 --> 00:22:29,119 Well, it makes no sense. Why not self-defence? 271 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,559 Yvonne, I have to say, Mark Costley's defence is 272 00:22:31,559 --> 00:22:33,479 a matter for him and his solicitors. 273 00:22:33,479 --> 00:22:35,039 My job is to defend you. 274 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:37,479 But, if we're being charged together... 275 00:22:37,479 --> 00:22:40,279 Costley's effectively pleading guilty to manslaughter by 276 00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:43,519 going for diminished responsibility as his defence. 277 00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:46,239 So we'll both be charged with Selway's manslaughter? 278 00:22:46,239 --> 00:22:50,319 No. If they accept Costley's plea, and that's by no means guaranteed, 279 00:22:50,319 --> 00:22:53,319 they still can come after you for murder 280 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:55,639 because your defences are entirely separate. 281 00:22:55,639 --> 00:22:59,719 But it's not all doom and gloom... At the very least, if they 282 00:22:59,719 --> 00:23:02,359 accept diminished responsibility, it makes our lives easier. 283 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,719 You're saying you had 284 00:23:03,719 --> 00:23:06,719 no idea Costley was going to kill George Selway and Costley is 285 00:23:06,719 --> 00:23:10,039 admitting that he acted on a reckless impulse of his own. 286 00:23:27,866 --> 00:23:29,186 You... 287 00:23:32,345 --> 00:23:35,305 you are my knight in shining armour. 288 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:43,439 You've admitted you acted alone. Keeping me safe. 289 00:23:43,439 --> 00:23:44,999 Again. 290 00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:12,079 [DOOR OPENS DOWNSTAIRS] 291 00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:13,759 Hey, Dad... 292 00:24:13,759 --> 00:24:15,879 Hey, hello, love! How are you? 293 00:24:15,879 --> 00:24:17,439 Good... You? 294 00:24:17,439 --> 00:24:19,159 Carrie's here, love! 295 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:26,039 Sathnam's going to go part-time after the baby's born. 296 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:28,199 It's his baby, too. 297 00:24:28,199 --> 00:24:30,439 Of course it is! That's great. 298 00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:33,011 No, that's great. 299 00:24:34,202 --> 00:24:35,762 I'm a bit jealous, actually. 300 00:24:38,011 --> 00:24:42,119 Well, your dad did a lot for the two of you when you were babies 301 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,919 but it was always basically assumed that you were my territory. 302 00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:50,159 Well, didn't you talk it over before you got pregnant? 303 00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:53,279 We've never really been good at that. Talking. 304 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:54,879 That's not true! 305 00:24:54,879 --> 00:24:58,039 Sathnam always says he wishes his parents got on half as well 306 00:24:58,039 --> 00:24:59,279 as you and Dad. 307 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:01,039 I'm not saying we don't get on. 308 00:25:10,607 --> 00:25:15,759 Oh... I'm so sorry, all of this is such terrible timing for you. 309 00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:20,919 I mean, no timing would be good, but this is godawful. 310 00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:31,599 Ajay, Sathnam's brother, 311 00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:34,119 he has this friend from uni, trained as a barrister... 312 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,479 We've got a barrister. 313 00:25:35,479 --> 00:25:37,039 Well, he does consultancy now. 314 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:40,839 Sort of PR... helping people to make a good impression in court. 315 00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:42,839 Dad asked me to get his number. 316 00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:48,439 The two of you have discussed it? 317 00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:53,079 You really think that I need help, making a good impression? 318 00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:57,639 Well, don't you? Er, shall I send it to you, or Dad? 319 00:25:57,639 --> 00:26:00,079 The thing to remember is, I'm innocent. 320 00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:05,639 Of course you are. I know you are, of course you are. 321 00:26:05,639 --> 00:26:08,131 I'm just... sending it to Dad, OK? 322 00:26:21,015 --> 00:26:23,015 [CAR HORN] 323 00:26:24,319 --> 00:26:26,999 - He seems quite young! - Yeah? 324 00:26:26,999 --> 00:26:28,479 Well, he would be. 325 00:26:29,821 --> 00:26:31,741 [PHONE ALERT] 326 00:26:42,399 --> 00:26:44,919 Just remember, love, he's costing a fortune. 327 00:26:44,919 --> 00:26:49,599 Don't get all competitive with him. Von? 328 00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:51,679 [DOORBELL RINGS] 329 00:26:52,651 --> 00:26:55,239 Er... competitive? 330 00:26:55,239 --> 00:26:56,759 Let him do his job. 331 00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:00,079 Let him help you, that's what he's here for. 332 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:01,399 Yeah. 333 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:07,479 - Hi. Laurence? - Yeah. 334 00:27:07,479 --> 00:27:10,199 Hi, I'm Gary, I'm Yvonne's husband. 335 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,208 So, Yvonne, are you guilty? 336 00:27:17,116 --> 00:27:19,239 No, Laurence, I am not. 337 00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:26,039 Cool! That's what we want to see in court. 338 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:29,879 Firm, but polite, no hint of doubt. 339 00:27:29,879 --> 00:27:32,079 First impressions are incredibly important. 340 00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:34,079 Aren't they just? 341 00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:37,679 So, on that subject, is there anything Yvonne should be 342 00:27:37,679 --> 00:27:40,199 thinking of, in court? 343 00:27:40,199 --> 00:27:44,399 The jury, always. Little tip. 344 00:27:44,399 --> 00:27:47,159 When you're in the witness box, point your feet towards the jury. 345 00:27:47,159 --> 00:27:50,079 Then you'll automatically address your answers towards them. 346 00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:52,639 It's all about making a connection. 347 00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:55,639 You might want to jot this down. 348 00:27:55,639 --> 00:27:58,599 Anything, erm, in particular she should be wearing? 349 00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:01,959 Well, we want the jury to see your feminine side. 350 00:28:01,959 --> 00:28:05,359 Oh, Jesus. Ribbons? Lace? 351 00:28:06,201 --> 00:28:10,439 Perhaps a blouse with a bit of embellishment. 352 00:28:10,439 --> 00:28:12,839 Nothing too low-cut, obviously, 353 00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:16,319 something that's appropriate to your, er, age. 354 00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:17,639 Under a suit. 355 00:28:17,639 --> 00:28:21,119 But not too flash or designer, we don't want people thinking 356 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,839 you need taking down a peg or two. 357 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:26,199 People only judge you 30% on what you say. 358 00:28:26,199 --> 00:28:28,639 70% is how you look. 359 00:28:29,719 --> 00:28:32,599 None of this is me, you understand. 360 00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:36,319 The women, particularly, can be very hard on other women. 361 00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:39,319 Talking of... I... I don't know if the prosecuting counsel will be 362 00:28:39,319 --> 00:28:40,639 a man or a woman. 363 00:28:40,639 --> 00:28:43,479 But if it is a woman, the jury will be more likely to think 364 00:28:43,479 --> 00:28:45,879 you're guilty during cross-examination about the rape. 365 00:28:45,879 --> 00:28:49,559 Ah, you know, "This nice lady barrister wouldn't be taking this on 366 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:52,639 if she really thought this man had done something terrible." 367 00:28:52,639 --> 00:28:55,559 I also imagine this strategy won't have escaped 368 00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:59,159 Mr... Costley's defence team. 369 00:28:59,159 --> 00:29:01,399 He may well have a female silk. 370 00:29:01,399 --> 00:29:04,319 You do know how violent the rape was? 371 00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:08,559 Yes, I've got the... details. 372 00:29:10,479 --> 00:29:13,919 I'm sure your solicitor has been through this with you, Yvonne, 373 00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:17,039 but, er... legally speaking, I'm afraid it does make 374 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:18,559 your case rather worse. 375 00:29:19,959 --> 00:29:22,079 An attack of this severity gives you such 376 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:24,399 a strong reason for killing Selway. 377 00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:29,159 So, basically everything that should be in Yvonne's favour is 378 00:29:29,159 --> 00:29:31,839 going to go against her... 379 00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:33,399 Exactly. 380 00:29:37,159 --> 00:29:39,479 Of course, one thing the rape 381 00:29:39,479 --> 00:29:43,559 doesn't explain is why Mark Costley killed Selway. 382 00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:49,399 Why did your co-defendant act as he did? 383 00:29:49,399 --> 00:29:52,879 He was warning off George Selway as a favour to me. 384 00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:56,079 He has a background in security. 385 00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:00,599 And it must have gone wrong in some terrible, terrible, way. 386 00:30:01,879 --> 00:30:06,759 Quite a favour. You hadn't known each other that long, had you? 387 00:30:08,199 --> 00:30:09,839 A few months. 388 00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:11,239 Mmm. 389 00:30:12,679 --> 00:30:14,879 The prosecution could try to claim 390 00:30:14,879 --> 00:30:17,159 you were lying about the whole thing, 391 00:30:17,159 --> 00:30:20,279 that you and Selway had consensual sex and you were 392 00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:23,719 spinning Costley a yarn to get him into trouble. 393 00:30:23,719 --> 00:30:27,079 Why the hell would Yvonne do that unless she was a lunatic? 394 00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:28,559 Ah, who knows? 395 00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,319 You were annoyed with Selway because he didn't call you afterwards, 396 00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:32,839 de-da, de-da, the usual. 397 00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:33,959 The usual? 398 00:30:33,959 --> 00:30:36,359 I'm just playing devil's advocate here. 399 00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:38,919 Why didn't you report the rape in the first case, 400 00:30:38,919 --> 00:30:41,159 if there was evidence? It's a big problem. 401 00:30:41,159 --> 00:30:44,799 And if there wasn't evidence, does that mean you didn't fight back? 402 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:45,759 Why not? 403 00:30:46,919 --> 00:30:48,319 We see it the whole time. 404 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:51,039 You ladies do make our job rather difficult. 405 00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:52,199 [HE GASPS] 406 00:30:52,199 --> 00:30:53,799 What are you thinking, Laurence? 407 00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:56,479 Shall I tell you what's going on in your head, biologically? 408 00:30:56,479 --> 00:30:58,879 There's a part of your brain, the amygdala, 409 00:30:58,879 --> 00:31:01,319 it's telling you to do whatever you need to do to survive. 410 00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:04,159 It's like a siren, "Survive! Survive!" 411 00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:07,119 So loud, in fact, it's drowning out your cerebral cortex, 412 00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:08,239 your logical brain. 413 00:31:09,399 --> 00:31:12,759 Your cortex knows I'm not going to cut your throat. 414 00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:13,919 Why would I do that? 415 00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:16,119 My family's in enough trouble as it is. 416 00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:18,399 But the amygdala, it's pure instinct. 417 00:31:19,479 --> 00:31:21,959 It feels the damage this can do. 418 00:31:21,959 --> 00:31:23,839 It's no bigger than a peanut... 419 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:30,439 Yet taken by surprise, afraid for your life... 420 00:31:32,959 --> 00:31:38,559 ...we're programmed to do whatever will ensure our survival. 421 00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:39,919 And sometimes... 422 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:43,639 ...that's nothing. 423 00:31:51,639 --> 00:31:53,719 I think you've made your point. 424 00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:21,639 Gary. 425 00:32:29,199 --> 00:32:31,719 Sorry... 426 00:32:31,719 --> 00:32:33,679 It's going to be OK. 427 00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:37,999 It's all going be OK... I'm sorry. 428 00:32:41,251 --> 00:32:43,331 I'm sorry. 429 00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:39,319 Oh! 430 00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:40,679 God, my ankle! 431 00:33:40,679 --> 00:33:43,079 I'm so sorry. It was the tag. You OK? 432 00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:44,499 Of course... 433 00:33:47,959 --> 00:33:50,999 [THEY LAUGH] 434 00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:00,519 You OK? 435 00:34:18,799 --> 00:34:20,759 I want you to promise me something. 436 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:25,879 Aye-aye... 437 00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:35,037 If at any point during the trial, I don't want you to be there, 438 00:34:36,582 --> 00:34:39,022 I want you to promise that you'll stay away. 439 00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:44,559 But you know I want to be there for the whole thing. 440 00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:47,119 Please. 441 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:50,359 And from what Jas has said, and that little shitheel, 442 00:34:50,359 --> 00:34:52,479 about making the right impression, 443 00:34:52,479 --> 00:34:55,959 it's really important that I'm seen to be standing by your side. 444 00:34:55,959 --> 00:34:57,479 I know. 445 00:34:57,479 --> 00:35:00,119 But I don't think I could bear it, 446 00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:03,519 if I have to talk about what George Selway did. 447 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,159 Please. 448 00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:12,799 OK. 449 00:35:22,399 --> 00:35:24,559 Would you have seen it as a betrayal, 450 00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:26,039 if Gary and I had made love? 451 00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:33,797 Because one thing I do know, you haven't betrayed me. 452 00:35:59,959 --> 00:36:03,799 No, Mum was great, cool as a cucumber. 453 00:36:03,799 --> 00:36:06,439 It was... It was me that lost it... 454 00:36:06,439 --> 00:36:08,679 Yeah, I know, but you had to be here, Carrie, 455 00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:10,839 he was absolutely appalling! Babe! 456 00:36:10,839 --> 00:36:13,039 Oh, Suze. 457 00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:16,159 I'm so sorry. 458 00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:18,279 I'm so sorry. 459 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,559 You don't have to talk about it if you don't want to. 460 00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:25,959 Oh, God. 461 00:36:25,959 --> 00:36:27,919 But if you do... I'm here. 462 00:36:28,482 --> 00:36:31,039 I wish I'd talked to you. 463 00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:33,719 I wish I'd talked to you about everything. 464 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,919 Well, like my mum says, "Still waters run deep." 465 00:36:38,919 --> 00:36:41,719 She doesn't know the half of it. 466 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,479 [DOORBELL RINGS] 467 00:36:43,479 --> 00:36:44,919 I'll get it. 468 00:36:46,875 --> 00:36:48,853 Yvonne! 469 00:36:48,878 --> 00:36:52,039 Yvonne Carmichael, I'm arresting you for breaching the conditions 470 00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:53,559 - of your bail. - I'll call Jaspreet. 471 00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:55,679 You might want to get a few things together for her. 472 00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:57,079 What are you doing? 473 00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:59,519 Look, there is no need for that. She's not going to run away! 474 00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:01,919 This is crazy! I haven't done anything! I haven't done anything! 475 00:37:01,919 --> 00:37:03,559 I'll be right behind you in the car, love. 476 00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:05,679 Suse, could you give me a hand, please? 477 00:37:07,037 --> 00:37:10,399 Mark Costley sent you a text from prison and you replied, 478 00:37:10,399 --> 00:37:11,679 is that right? 479 00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:14,559 I got a text from a number that I didn't recognise. 480 00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:17,239 And I just asked who it was. 481 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,679 And you sent a second text. 482 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:24,919 It doesn't matter. The point is, he made contact and you responded. 483 00:37:24,919 --> 00:37:27,239 Which is breaching the conditions of your bail. 484 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,759 But he's not even supposed to have a phone in prison, is he? 485 00:37:29,759 --> 00:37:32,719 Well, clearly he got hold of one. I'm sorry, Yvonne. 486 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,039 You'll be kept in Holloway on remand. 487 00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:46,599 At least we're close to the trial date. 488 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:50,359 It could be deliberate, on Costley's part. Tit for tat. 489 00:37:50,359 --> 00:37:52,159 He's in prison, so why not you? 490 00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:53,239 He's not like that. 491 00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:55,919 Isn't he? 492 00:38:06,919 --> 00:38:09,759 He has a niece that's good at science, is that right? 493 00:38:09,759 --> 00:38:11,119 Yeah. 494 00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:14,719 My eldest daughter's into science. 495 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,159 That's always good to hear. 496 00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:17,159 Yeah. 497 00:38:17,950 --> 00:38:21,839 Yes, er, she showed me this thing. I'm not sure she should be 498 00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:24,439 watching it, to be honest with you, 499 00:38:24,439 --> 00:38:27,199 but, uh... I suppose it's educational. 500 00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:29,919 You've probably seen it. 501 00:38:29,919 --> 00:38:33,479 This American who did experiments with monkeys in the 1950s, 502 00:38:33,479 --> 00:38:36,879 on animal behaviour. Rice, I think he was called... 503 00:38:36,879 --> 00:38:39,319 It's not really my field, animal behaviour. 504 00:38:39,319 --> 00:38:41,279 There's a mother, er, with a baby, 505 00:38:41,279 --> 00:38:45,839 and, uh... there's a heating element on the floor of the monkey cage. 506 00:38:47,279 --> 00:38:51,319 It's pretty horrible, actually. No Wi-Fi. 507 00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:01,079 I think it's supposed to be an experiment in altruism. 508 00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:04,199 They keep increasing the temperature of the cage floor. 509 00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:07,439 The worst thing is, in the end, when its feet are burning... 510 00:39:07,439 --> 00:39:09,119 I suppose it's in so much pain. 511 00:39:10,999 --> 00:39:14,559 The monkey, it just drops its baby and stands on it. 512 00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:15,919 Jesus. 513 00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:22,639 Still, it's interesting, though. 514 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,999 The tipping point... and self-preservation. 515 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,199 You think Mark Costley's reached his tipping point? 516 00:39:32,319 --> 00:39:34,919 It's worth bearing in mind. 517 00:39:41,279 --> 00:39:45,341 The text Mark Costley sent you... What did it mean, anyway? 518 00:39:46,359 --> 00:39:48,639 The Wedekind experiment? 519 00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:51,359 Oh, um, well, it was just an experiment that I was 520 00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:53,719 involved in, early on in my career and... 521 00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:58,399 I... I must have told him about it when we were t... 522 00:39:58,399 --> 00:40:02,639 talking about his niece. The one who's interested in science. 523 00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:05,599 Like your daughter. 524 00:40:18,999 --> 00:40:22,919 You were definitely the first person... 525 00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:27,999 ...to qualify the Wedekind experiment. 526 00:40:29,439 --> 00:40:30,439 Yeah! 527 00:40:39,479 --> 00:40:41,799 No tipping point. For either of us. 528 00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:47,999 You wanted to let me know that you're keeping the faith. 529 00:40:47,999 --> 00:40:49,519 How can I blame you for that? 530 00:41:24,279 --> 00:41:26,079 [BUZZER] 531 00:41:35,286 --> 00:41:37,959 So, the order of the prosecution witnesses... 532 00:41:40,479 --> 00:41:42,799 Feeling OK, Yvonne? 533 00:41:42,799 --> 00:41:45,999 I'm relieved we're starting, but I'm dreading it. 534 00:41:45,999 --> 00:41:46,959 Of course. 535 00:41:48,399 --> 00:41:50,959 You won't be called for a very long time, Dr Carmichael. 536 00:41:50,959 --> 00:41:53,239 I'm not sure if that makes it worse... 537 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,159 But do bear in mind the jury will be able to see you throughout. 538 00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:57,999 Just try to stay composed if you can. 539 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,119 What are "special measures"? 540 00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:07,319 Yes, that's the witness that needs to retain anonymity. 541 00:42:07,319 --> 00:42:08,759 The MI5 man, yes? 542 00:42:08,759 --> 00:42:09,879 Yeah. 543 00:42:09,879 --> 00:42:10,959 Exciting times. 544 00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:14,479 So, Yvonne, anything else to tell Robert? 545 00:42:14,479 --> 00:42:16,839 Or anything else you need to know? 546 00:42:16,839 --> 00:42:20,279 Um... No... I think that covers it. Thank you. 547 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,679 Good luck. 548 00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:25,839 Luck has nothing to do with it. 549 00:42:26,307 --> 00:42:28,027 [DOOR BUZZES] 550 00:44:14,999 --> 00:44:18,959 All persons having anything to do at the Central Criminal Court 551 00:44:18,959 --> 00:44:21,519 draw near and give your attendance. 552 00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:36,919 I don't seem to have a batting order. 553 00:45:12,953 --> 00:45:17,519 You fucking bitch! You deserve everything you get! 554 00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:20,039 You bitch, you evil bitch! 555 00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:23,039 - Look at what you're doing to all of us... - Calm down. 556 00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:26,679 I have two children at home who have broken their hearts 557 00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:30,199 because their father is there, 558 00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,999 that you have brought into your mess... 559 00:45:43,919 --> 00:45:46,999 My lord... Ladies and gentlemen. 560 00:45:47,999 --> 00:45:51,559 You will hear two defences being offered in this court. 561 00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:54,839 You will hear medical evidence concerning the claim of the 562 00:45:54,839 --> 00:45:57,559 first defendant, Mark Liam Costley, 563 00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:01,119 that he should be found not guilty of murder on grounds of 564 00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:04,919 diminished responsibility, that he is not responsible for 565 00:46:04,919 --> 00:46:09,679 killing George Selway because he has a personality disorder. 566 00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:12,999 His defence will argue that he is mentally unstable. 567 00:46:12,999 --> 00:46:16,359 You will also hear evidence from the second defendant, 568 00:46:16,359 --> 00:46:20,999 Yvonne Carmichael, that she is entirely innocent, 569 00:46:20,999 --> 00:46:24,479 that she knew nothing of Mr Costley's intentions when she 570 00:46:24,479 --> 00:46:28,679 drove him to the doorstep of a man who had viciously assaulted her. 571 00:46:29,879 --> 00:46:34,559 When questioned by the police, this eminent scientist claimed 572 00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:39,039 that she had no idea what might be going on when she sat waiting in her 573 00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:44,119 car outside that property, waiting, 574 00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:47,599 and waiting... and waiting. 575 00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,679 The police were told that she had no thought whatsoever something 576 00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:57,759 might be amiss when Mr Costley took so long to return, having changed 577 00:46:57,759 --> 00:47:02,799 some of his clothing but having neglected to change his shoes, 578 00:47:02,799 --> 00:47:08,079 the shoes that transferred blood to the mat in the footwell of her car. 579 00:47:09,799 --> 00:47:12,892 The prosecution's case is that this is all nonsense. 580 00:47:14,593 --> 00:47:15,726 Mark Liam Costley 581 00:47:15,751 --> 00:47:19,359 and Yvonne Carmichael planned and connived, quite coldly and in 582 00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:23,799 advance, that one would do the deed and the other drive the getaway car. 583 00:47:23,799 --> 00:47:27,999 Each encouraged and facilitated the other's behaviour. And each, 584 00:47:27,999 --> 00:47:30,559 therefore, is as guilty as the other, 585 00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:33,999 of the murder of George Simon Selway. 586 00:47:39,319 --> 00:47:42,839 It might be an idea to get something down, if you can, Dr Carmichael. 587 00:47:42,839 --> 00:47:45,159 After lunch we're in for the long haul. 588 00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:46,319 Ladies and gentlemen, 589 00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:49,559 may I invite you to turn to the first page of the jury bundle? 590 00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:53,279 Maps, photographs, forensic diagrams, 591 00:47:53,279 --> 00:47:55,879 it's nothing to worry about. 592 00:47:55,879 --> 00:47:56,839 Smoke and mirrors. 593 00:47:58,759 --> 00:48:01,639 The prosecution just want to hammer it home, essentially. 594 00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:03,199 Guilty, guilty, guilty. 595 00:48:03,199 --> 00:48:06,679 The woman you saw sitting in the car outside George Selway's flat. 596 00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:09,199 Can you point her out to the court, please? 597 00:48:11,879 --> 00:48:14,719 I'm afraid Miss Bonnard, Mr Costley's barrister, 598 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,719 might pile on the agony a bit as well. 599 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,719 Brand-new silk. They always want to cross-examine every single witness. 600 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,439 Isn't that what you'll be doing? 601 00:48:22,439 --> 00:48:23,879 No. 602 00:48:23,879 --> 00:48:26,279 I have no questions for the witness, my lord. 603 00:48:28,399 --> 00:48:30,359 No cross-exam from us. 604 00:48:30,359 --> 00:48:32,359 An innocent woman doesn't need to get bogged down 605 00:48:32,359 --> 00:48:33,879 in the sordid details. 606 00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:36,639 That's our message. 607 00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:42,799 Can you clarify, Dr Weatherfield, what kind of force would have 608 00:48:42,799 --> 00:48:47,839 been needed to cause this level of injury to the victim's neck area? 609 00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:50,959 It would have to be a blunt trauma injury of some force, 610 00:48:50,959 --> 00:48:54,679 consistent with stamping while the victim was face up on the floor. 611 00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:58,239 And how can you tell that this force would have been considerable? 612 00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:59,479 The bruising. 613 00:48:59,479 --> 00:49:04,439 You can see the clear imprint of the attacker's trainer on the torso. 614 00:49:04,439 --> 00:49:07,319 And the victim's voice box was shattered. 615 00:49:07,319 --> 00:49:11,079 In order to sustain that level of injury, I would say that the 616 00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:15,039 person applying the force would perhaps have been jumping 617 00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,399 while he or she stamped on him. 618 00:49:17,399 --> 00:49:20,679 What was the extent of the injury to the nose? 619 00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:24,279 The nose was almost certainly broken by a blow before the victim 620 00:49:24,279 --> 00:49:27,839 was on the ground, perhaps as a way of initiating the attack. 621 00:49:28,919 --> 00:49:32,439 There was considerable blood from the nose on the victim's clothes. 622 00:49:32,439 --> 00:49:35,799 Once he was on his back, that wouldn't have flowed 623 00:49:35,799 --> 00:49:37,839 vertically down his clothes. 624 00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:41,679 Thank you. No further questions, my lord. 625 00:49:42,601 --> 00:49:45,039 Can we be clear on this, Dr Weatherfield? 626 00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:49,039 Could the dilution of blood on the victim's clothes have been 627 00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:51,679 caused by him emptying his bladder? 628 00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:54,879 Rather than any purposeful dilution of the blood by Mr Costley in 629 00:49:54,879 --> 00:49:57,039 an attempt at clearing up after death? 630 00:49:57,039 --> 00:49:58,959 Well... it could. 631 00:49:58,959 --> 00:50:03,279 It's correct there were no tests done on the diluting component. 632 00:50:03,279 --> 00:50:05,719 So it could have been urine? 633 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,279 It could have been... 634 00:50:07,279 --> 00:50:10,959 Thank you. No further questions on behalf of Mr Costley. 635 00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:16,079 My lord, I have no questions for this witness. 636 00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:29,639 How did it go so far? Did he provoke you? 637 00:50:31,799 --> 00:50:34,239 Is this what you've been trained to do? 638 00:50:44,879 --> 00:50:47,359 It's not looking good for him, is it? 639 00:50:50,479 --> 00:50:52,559 He looks different to how I imagined. 640 00:51:03,759 --> 00:51:07,279 Do you know this, erm, experiment. 641 00:51:07,279 --> 00:51:08,479 Rice. 642 00:51:08,479 --> 00:51:11,999 Um, animal behaviourist, 1950s, I think. 643 00:51:11,999 --> 00:51:13,319 Rice? 644 00:51:13,319 --> 00:51:14,479 Yeah. 645 00:51:14,479 --> 00:51:18,279 Erm, is that the one with the monkeys? 646 00:51:18,279 --> 00:51:19,999 Mm. 647 00:51:19,999 --> 00:51:21,839 What's that got to do with anything? 648 00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:25,839 It's just been in my head and I don't really get to talk to anybody 649 00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:28,919 in here, or... not in court for that matter, either. 650 00:51:28,919 --> 00:51:31,199 Have you seen the footage? 651 00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:32,439 Erm... 652 00:51:32,439 --> 00:51:35,959 I'm not sure. Erm... maybe years ago. 653 00:51:35,959 --> 00:51:37,839 It's the one with the heated cage, right? 654 00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:38,839 Mm. 655 00:51:39,856 --> 00:51:41,879 Um, yeah, it's extraordinary. 656 00:51:41,879 --> 00:51:43,679 Really? That's not the word I'd use. 657 00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:45,719 Well, I mean the experiment's horrific. 658 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,599 They wouldn't get away with it these days. 659 00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:51,479 But the... the outcome's pretty amazing. The power of maternal love. 660 00:51:51,479 --> 00:51:52,839 You're kidding! 661 00:51:52,839 --> 00:51:55,239 I... I thought the whole point was the monkey drops the baby. 662 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,239 No, she saves the baby. I remember reading about it. 663 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,039 She holds the baby in the air and lets her feet burn. 664 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,599 If it's the same experiment. 665 00:52:22,879 --> 00:52:25,319 I wish I could make you feel safe. 666 00:52:28,863 --> 00:52:33,639 I do. I feel safe here with you. 667 00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:42,999 I know you. You're not a monster... 668 00:52:46,439 --> 00:52:50,919 and once everyone else knows what you are, they'll understand. 669 00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:56,639 Members of the jury, this witness is to give evidence behind a screen. 670 00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:59,239 You'll be able to see the witness, 671 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,279 however, the defendants and the gallery will not. 672 00:53:02,279 --> 00:53:06,199 Thank you for your patience while we make the necessary adjustments. 673 00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:11,799 Witness A, can you please tell us what your job is? 674 00:53:11,799 --> 00:53:14,479 My title is Chief Training Operative, MI5. 675 00:53:14,479 --> 00:53:18,279 And can you explain for us what a Chief Training Operative is or does? 676 00:53:18,279 --> 00:53:19,639 There are various roles, 677 00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:22,479 but my particular responsibility is to oversee the testing we put 678 00:53:22,479 --> 00:53:25,919 operatives through, both physical and psychological. 679 00:53:25,919 --> 00:53:28,559 As part of the selection process for MI5. 680 00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:31,319 And... how do you go about finding out whether or not 681 00:53:31,319 --> 00:53:34,039 a given person is suitable for a career in M15? 682 00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:37,679 I understand that the precise methods are confidential but if you 683 00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:40,279 could, please give the court a general idea. 684 00:53:40,279 --> 00:53:43,759 Well, we begin with, erm, psychological questionnaires, 685 00:53:43,759 --> 00:53:45,159 interviews and so on. 686 00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:46,199 Physical tests? 687 00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:48,039 Well, yes, of course. 688 00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:50,559 Then candidates who make the first cut move to 689 00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:52,799 a more extended period of training. 690 00:53:52,799 --> 00:53:55,999 Witness A, do you know the defendant, Mark Costley? 691 00:53:55,999 --> 00:53:58,959 Yes, I met Mr Costley in the autumn of 2008, 692 00:53:58,959 --> 00:54:01,079 when he applied to join the security services. 693 00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:03,399 He made the "first cut", as you would say? 694 00:54:03,399 --> 00:54:06,639 Yes. I was responsible for assessing his application. 695 00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:09,599 Not exclusively, but I was the supervising officer. 696 00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:12,359 Could you tell us a little more about the training Mr Costley 697 00:54:12,359 --> 00:54:15,119 underwent, so far as you are permitted to say? 698 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:18,279 Well, candidates attend seminars, lectures, and they also 699 00:54:18,279 --> 00:54:21,359 undergo a period of more what you might call interactive training. 700 00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:23,439 Does this include combat training? 701 00:54:23,439 --> 00:54:25,399 There's a basic level of combat training. 702 00:54:25,399 --> 00:54:27,959 Of course, Mr Costley had spent some years in the police force, 703 00:54:27,959 --> 00:54:30,279 so he was already familiar with some of the principles. 704 00:54:30,279 --> 00:54:31,679 Indeed. 705 00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:35,679 Would this level of training give an individual an advantage over 706 00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:39,359 what you might call an average citizen, in a fight? 707 00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:41,959 Well, that's rather what it's designed to do, yes. 708 00:54:41,959 --> 00:54:46,639 To be clear, does combat training, as opposed to what Mr Costley 709 00:54:46,639 --> 00:54:50,399 would had been taught as part of his police officer safety training, 710 00:54:50,399 --> 00:54:53,479 include a technique for breaking an assailant's nose 711 00:54:53,479 --> 00:54:55,279 with the palm of one's hand? 712 00:54:55,279 --> 00:54:58,359 That's one of the techniques disseminated, yes. 713 00:54:58,359 --> 00:55:02,159 And in assessing Mark Costley, did you find him suitable to the 714 00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:04,759 physical requirements of an MI5 officer? 715 00:55:04,759 --> 00:55:06,399 Yes, we did. 716 00:55:06,399 --> 00:55:09,519 During the time you were assessing Mr Costley, did you ever feel 717 00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:14,799 sufficient concern about his mental stability to raise the issue 718 00:55:14,799 --> 00:55:17,879 with his line manager in the Metropolitan Police Force? 719 00:55:17,879 --> 00:55:20,639 His mental stability? I'm sorry, 720 00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:23,279 I don't quite see where you're heading with this... 721 00:55:23,279 --> 00:55:25,599 I mean, it really wasn't my... role. 722 00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:29,199 I'm asking if you were happy enough with Mark Costley's mental state 723 00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:31,679 to allow him to continue working as a police officer, 724 00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:35,399 and then to move on into a sensitive position involving the 725 00:55:35,399 --> 00:55:38,639 security and the safety of our Members of Parliament, 726 00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:43,479 despite your final decision to reject his application to join MI5? 727 00:55:53,479 --> 00:55:56,919 Yes, it was purely for me to turn him down as an unsuitable 728 00:55:56,919 --> 00:55:59,079 candidate for the security services. 729 00:56:06,439 --> 00:56:08,119 I wasn't fucking a spook. 730 00:56:11,522 --> 00:56:13,202 The spooks didn't want you... 731 00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:20,879 All the ways you made yourself mysterious... 732 00:56:20,879 --> 00:56:22,959 Facing the wrong way... 733 00:56:22,959 --> 00:56:24,199 Risk assessment. 734 00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:27,159 ...the phones, the safe house... 735 00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,319 Why? I believed you. 736 00:56:36,999 --> 00:56:41,199 Everything about you. Who are you... really? 737 00:56:45,919 --> 00:56:47,279 What have I done? 738 00:56:48,867 --> 00:56:55,120 - Synced and corrected by VitoSilans - -- www.Addic7ed.com --